My friend Jyothi sent a message yesterday. She was very excited about an experience that had just happened to her. Earlier in the day, in the morning, she had meditated with voluntary effort. Then later in the afternoon she fell into involuntary meditation. This pattern of intentional meditation in the morning and natural meditation in the afternoon is normal for her, but yesterday the natural meditation was deeper than usual.
Jyothi: My attention was going inward so forcefully
Jyothi: Felt like I was being pushed into a trance like state
She explained that this push was involuntary. She couldn’t resist it. This reminds me of many remarks by Sri Ramana Maharshi including this one from Conscious Immortality, Chapter 14:
The Self is like a powerful hidden magnet within us. It draws us gradually to itself, though we imagine we are going to It of our own accord. When we are near enough, it puts an end to our activities, makes us still, and then swallows up our personal current, thus killing our personality. It overwhelms the intellect and over floods the whole being. We think we are meditating upon it and developing towards it, whereas the truth is that we are as iron filings and It is the Atman-magnet that is pulling us towards itself. Thus the process of finding Self is a form of Divine Magnetism.
Jyothi: I was also tired because I was feeling heavy inside. Just wanted to lie down and let the course take its action what ever that was
Jyothi: Something was happening it’s hard to explain
Jyothi: I was becoming aware of my breath and the awareness behind the action of breath
Jyothi: It’s hard to explain
Jyothi: Felt tired
I said this sounds really good, and that Ramana used to tell people, “Find the source of the breath.”
Jyothi: Yes i or don’t know what something is aware of the course of breath
Jyothi: It’s a layer deeper than with the breath
Jyothi: Felt breathing was automatic
Jyothi: Felt I am not the breath
Jyothi: I am separate
Jyothi: It’s not that I don’t have thoughts but my attention is so inward that I totally ignore my thoughts
Jyothi: I was exhaling loud frequently as if I had more air inside and had to let it go
Jyothi: I feel I have more oxygen inside than needed
Jyothi: I feel like blowing it out every 10 minutes
Jyothi: When I sat closing my eyes
Jyothi: Despite activities inside my body there was stillness
The most interesting thing, to me, was this:
Jyothi: felt something inside me sturdy, stable and it felt like it knows about all the things that were happening inside my body.
Jyothi: Like sensations, heartbeat, breath, pulse, noises in my ear
Jyothi: It knew everything but it just knew it didn’t interfere with anything
Freddie: does “sturdy, stable” mean that nothing could affect it?
Jyothi: yes. in this context yes.
Freddie: Like it can’t ever change?
Freddie: was there a feeling of “I”?
Jyoti: No I didn’t feel it as me
Freddie: was there any feeling of I? did you feel like an I that was watching this thing?
Jyothi: It’s really hard to say it almost felt impersonal
Freddie: did it seem to have a location in the body?
Jyothi: yes in the rib cage like heart in paintings of Jesus but sometimes it felt like it’s in every inch of my body
Freddie: like this picture of the Sacred Heart of Jesus?
Jyothi: The location is the same but it’s not as grandiose as the pictures
Jyothi: It felt like a dot in the heart center
Jyothi: I didn’t see any light
Freddie: “Weapons cut It not. Fire burns It not. Water wets It not. Wind dries It not.”
Jyothi: That’s the Bhagavad Gita isn’t it. Chapter 2.
And here’s verse 24:
“This Self cannot be cut, burnt, wetted nor dried up. It is eternal, all-pervading, stable, ancient and immovable.”
Translation of Bhagavad Gita by Swami Sivananda.
11 thoughts to “The Sturdy, Stable Thing”
Any news on whether this continued deepening for Jyothi? Lovely descriptions.
Yes things are getting deeper for Jyothi. A few weeks ago she experienced nirvikalpa for the first time. She seems to be on some kind of fast track headed for Self-realization. Thanks very much for asking. I’m glad to know somebody’s interested. She said something very amusing the other day which I thought about putting in a blog post. Now you’ve got me motivated to post an update about her.
Jyothi’s going to start posting here soon, so we’ll hear from her directly.
Any news on jyoti’s progress?
I relayed your question to her and she said:
“How sweet people read and show interest in others’ development. I don’t have anything to say. Lately I am not paying close attention to my inner mechanism.”
She added that she has not been meditating lately due to uncomfortable pressure in her head, but even so she gets drawn inside sometimes effortlessly.
Ah, fascinating. Her remarks on involuntary meditation triggered my interest. I am experiencing something similar occasionally. Please Wish Her well
I’m curious soul here. Did Jyothi publish any updates of her journey in the recent years?
Hi Metta. As far as I know she never published anything. Last time I talked to her, about a year ago, she said she was losing all desires.
Thanks for your reply Freddie. It’s so heartening to see you active here. I stumbled upon your blog from realization.org. As they say, when the time is right the right resources, gurus, nudges just shows up. I just marvel how I accidentally discovered what I need to learn and know in my journey.
Your blogs have helped me tremendously and I’ve actually been reading ALL of them. I’m about 70% through. Would love to learn about your experiences in the last few years (I read one of your recent comments that you haven’t felt like much to share)… perhaps my note will motivate you? even though there is a ton of insights on the internet out there – your words have a touch of authentic experience in them and is immensely valuable to me (and I know others as well as evident by the comments). I’d love to learn how your experience has evolved/deepened and observations you’ve made about things.
Hi Metta. I’m glad to know the blog posts helped. Actually I’m amazed that they helped. 🙂 Your note does motivate me. If I still feel motivated tomorrow I’ll think seriously about writing about my recent experiences.
That’s the best thing you could have told me, because that was my number one goal when I wrote most of those posts.