{"id":6495,"date":"2026-04-23T01:57:34","date_gmt":"2026-04-23T07:57:34","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/freddieyam.com\/wordpress\/?p=6495"},"modified":"2026-04-23T09:27:52","modified_gmt":"2026-04-23T15:27:52","slug":"back-up-from-the-doer-experiencer-thinker","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/freddieyam.com\/wordpress\/back-up-from-the-doer-experiencer-thinker\/","title":{"rendered":"Back up from the doer\/experiencer\/thinker"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>I don&#8217;t have time to write this carefully, sorry.<\/p>\n<p>I&#8217;d like to express my reaction to the conversation in comments yesterday about &#8220;I&#8217;m not the doer&#8221; and &#8220;I&#8217;m not the desirer.&#8221;<\/p>\n<p>The feeling that I&#8217;m doing, the feeling that I&#8217;m desiring &#8212; the I in those feelings is a mental construct.  <\/p>\n<p>You are not the I in those phrases.<\/p>\n<p>You are something else.<\/p>\n<p>When people hear the instruction &#8220;you are not the doer,&#8221; some of them probably think it means that the feeling &#8220;I do stuff&#8221; is false, but they assume or take for granted that they are the I who has the false feeling.<\/p>\n<p>I suggest to you that the real meaning of the instruction &#8220;you are not the doer&#8221; is that you are not the I that thinks it&#8217;s a doer. In other words, it&#8217;s not just the feeling of doing that&#8217;s illusory; the I that has the feeling is also illusory.<\/p>\n<p>The way this gets recognized is by paying attention to yourself as you really are. Since you&#8217;re reading this blog you&#8217;ve probably heard yourself described thousands of times as consciousness.  I think it may be a little clearer to call you &#8220;knowing&#8221; (hear &#8220;knowing&#8221; as a noun not a verb, like &#8220;breathing&#8221; in the sentence &#8220;her breathing was deep&#8221;).<\/p>\n<p>When I say pay attention to yourself as you really are, I mean these words in an ordinary way. You can and should learn to be aware of pure knowing, to have your attention on it. I&#8217;m calling it &#8220;it&#8221; because it lacks the mental-construct I, but it&#8217;s you.  It&#8217;s the unseparated undivided unadulterated knowing that you always sense you are but can&#8217;t seem to find.  Look away not just from desires and doings and all other objects, but also from the I that seems to experience them, and now you&#8217;re cooking with gas.<\/p>\n<p>People sometimes compare recognizing yourself to &#8220;backing up&#8221; from the I that feels like a doer, desirer, etc.<\/p>\n<p>That backing up is the same thing as discrimination (viveka).<\/p>\n<p>Sometimes people call this &#8220;dis-identifying.&#8221;  If we use that term, my point here gets expressed like this: you should dis-identify not from doing and desiring but from the I that feels like it&#8217;s doing and desiring.  As long as you identify with that I the first approach is probably impossible, but if you carry out the second approach the first happens automatically.<\/p>\n<p>By coincidence an article by Jan Frazier arrived by email a few days ago (I&#8217;m on her subscription list) that addresses this point.  She comes at it from a different angle, from the I that thinks it lives your life, but her mental-construct I is the same as the one I talked about here. The mental-construct I is an ill-defined multi-faceted cluster of mental activities. The reason I&#8217;m linking Jan&#8217;s post here is that if you back up from the I she starts with, you&#8217;re also backing up from the one I wrote about on this page. Maybe you&#8217;ll find her article helpful or interesting.<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/janfrazierteachings.com\/2026\/04\/06\/it-is-not-the-content-of-your-life\/\">It is Not the Content of Your Life by Jan Frazier<a><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>I don&#8217;t have time to write this carefully, sorry. I&#8217;d like to express my reaction to the conversation in comments yesterday about &#8220;I&#8217;m not the doer&#8221; and &#8220;I&#8217;m not the desirer.&#8221; The feeling that I&#8217;m doing, the feeling that I&#8217;m desiring &#8212; the I in those feelings is a mental construct. 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