{"id":5316,"date":"2023-11-21T08:15:26","date_gmt":"2023-11-21T13:15:26","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/freddieyam.com\/wordpress\/?p=5316"},"modified":"2023-11-21T09:14:42","modified_gmt":"2023-11-21T14:14:42","slug":"francis-lucille-comments-on-the-observation-that-started-this-website","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/freddieyam.com\/wordpress\/francis-lucille-comments-on-the-observation-that-started-this-website\/","title":{"rendered":"Francis Lucille comments on the observation that started this website"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>About twenty years ago I noticed something about my mind that seemed extraordinarily important to me for spiritual seekers,   but to my surprise I couldn&#8217;t find more than partial mentions of it in spiritual literature.<\/p>\n<p>After reading and skimming many books over a period of about five years, I managed to find partial mentions in three places, two of which are pretty obscure:  <a href=\"https:\/\/www.susanblackmore.uk\/ten-zen-questions-zen-art-of-consciousness\/chapters\/\">a book chapter<\/a> by Buddhist psychologist Susan Blackmore; a few pages in a book by P.D. Ouspensky; and a paragraph in a book by Anadi (Krzysztof Jerzy Strzelecki). <\/p>\n<p>(Brian, if you&#8217;re here, this is what got me interested in Anadi.)<\/p>\n<p>I probably failed to look in the right places, and I probably overlooked discussions of this phenomenon because I misunderstood them, but I spent a lot of time looking and that&#8217;s all I found.  I kept thinking, &#8220;This should be better known.  Somebody should describe this in writing and publish it.  Since I can&#8217;t find any such descriptions I should write one myself and put it on the Internet.&#8221;  <\/p>\n<p>But I was reluctant to do this because I didn&#8217;t consider myself to be an expert on spiritual matters. (I still don&#8217;t but I&#8217;ve grown less cautious about publishing.)  <\/p>\n<p>I kept thinking these thoughts for about five years and then finally I wrote the article.  By that time I had been publishing realization.org for seven years but I didn&#8217;t feel comfortable putting my opinions there so I created a new website, this one, and put the new article here.  For the next eight years it was the only article on this site.  It&#8217;s still on the home page.  I now realize that the article is wrong or seriously incomplete in at least one significant way but I haven&#8217;t bothered to revise it because as a practical matter, it&#8217;s very helpful to seekers in its current form.  Its flaws don&#8217;t interfere with its usefulness.<\/p>\n<p>Here&#8217;s what I noticed twenty years ago.  There are four main points:<\/p>\n<ol>\n<li>In my normal, ordinary waking state I&#8217;m unconscious because I&#8217;m lost in thought.  In that state I don&#8217;t even know the thoughts I&#8217;m thinking.  I&#8217;m so unconscious that I know my thoughts only in retrospect.  This has been my state in almost every waking moment during my entire life until now.<\/li>\n<li>I occasionally snap out of that lost-in-thought state spontaneously for a very brief time and enter what I called &#8220;the aware state&#8221; in the article.   It&#8217;s only when that happens and I become conscious that I realize by contrast that my normal state is one of unconsciousness.  <i><b>If I hadn&#8217;t noticed this alternate state which serves as a basis of comparison, I would never have known that I am usually unconscious.<\/b><\/i>  This is why people are zombies and they don&#8217;t know it.  I had been a zombie my whole life.\n<li>It&#8217;s possible to learn to enter the aware state voluntarily.  I suggested a method in my article and Susan Blackmore described <a href=\"https:\/\/www.susanblackmore.uk\/ten-zen-questions-zen-art-of-consciousness\/chapters\/\">a simpler one<\/a> in her book.  (I now realize that Gurdjieff&#8217;s &#8220;stopping exercises&#8221; were probably designed to produce this effect.)\n<li>Saying that there are two states, a &#8220;lost in thought state&#8221; and an &#8220;aware state&#8221;, is an oversimplification.  Actually there is a continuum.  In other words, our sense of being conscious is really a matter of degree, like with temperature:  there isn&#8217;t only hot and cold, there are also many temperatures in between.  At one end of the continuum we are practically unconscious.  At the other end we are extremely conscious.\n<\/ol>\n<p>One of these days I&#8217;ll update those observations. But today I just want to show you a satsang video that I stumbled across a few years ago in which one of Francis Lucille&#8217;s students describes most of what I just said and asks Lucille&#8217;s opinion.   I was startled when I ran across this video because the student reminds me so much of myself.  He has noticed exactly what I noticed and like me, he thinks it&#8217;s extremely important.  In twenty years, this is the only video or book I&#8217;ve run across that gives me this impression.  <\/p>\n<p>(The student uses different words and concepts than I did to describe the phenomenon, but he is describing the same thing.  This is a good opportunity to practice looking beyond words and concepts to <i>that which they describe<\/i>, which is an extremely valuable intellectual ability.)<\/p>\n<p>Lucille&#8217;s reaction:  Both those states are mental phenomena.  They are not a direct experience of Brahman.  He uses different terminology &#8212; at one point he calls Brahman &#8220;the receiver in chief&#8221; &#8212; but that&#8217;s what he means.  However he thinks the <i>gap<\/i> (his word for something closely related to the &#8220;snapping out&#8221; that I described in point 2 above) is significant for a different reason than the one I gave.<\/p>\n<p>This is an extremely meaty conversation and well worth listening to until the end.  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